WOTLK CLASSIC – PHASE 2 DPS TIER LIST

FROST DK can easily be high-A / near the end of S tier if you play well with desync rotation and early on in the phase as well. If played well on cleave you can pop off. I rated it where I did for what you are most likely to see. That's all <3

blood dk "dps" slaps.

Love the shirt! Aech for president

So why can't you stack mages? I mean, sure, in this phase it would be better to stack Affliction for those extra ranged slots, but if not a lock what else would you pick? A SV can out damage Arcane currently, but even right now it is at only Warlocks can do more damage than fire. So just looking at damage (and those stacking slots come after buffs are covered) if you didn't stack Warlock it would be the next best choice. Plus looking past this tier stacking fire mages becomes superior since they scale by an insane amount… and the ilvl increases only mean they will take off sooner.

im still sucking at unholy dk play…i just cant get it to work.. im using weakauras and addons to help with rotation.but still there is something wrong. 21 experstice and 280 hit. just cant get to blue parse even.

where can i find that spreadsheat ur showing in video

BiS lists are pretty dumb

I really struggle to maintain dps as a combat rogue, I am bad 🙁

fire mage over here being the best dps on some of the most important hardmodes after 2 weeks lol

They change DK but not RET. Hmmm.

Literally makes no sense… frost DKs scale amazing with better loot.

Would arguably say the #2 gun is BiS over Xbow for a dwarf hunter ?

The answer to "Why?" is because people may like the play style of the non-meta spec. I get that if all you care about is the theoretical dps meter, then yeah. It won't make sense to you. But not everyone is playing this ancient game to break Recount.

Geeeeeeez! Just get to the point THEN do your jargon….Geeeeeeez!

No chance uh is under assassnation

Nice T-Shirt man 😉

What do you think of 2h unholy? I've been playing 2h unholy since the beginning. I didn't want to play the dual wield that everyone else was. I actually didn't know there would be such a craze for unholy. Im going to continue to play 2h. I wish there was more info on it though. Dual wield has just taken over.

happy to see Spriest not C tier like they were projecting ♥

I'm a healer so I found it very enlightening and balanced as an assessment, thx mate

sorry if i missed it but howcome you didnt rate ele ?

why do you have big damage but you die at the start.

it depends on how you play , this is only a percentage and not final .

Thanks for a very in depth video but I'm confused why you're confused about destro warlocks. People play classes and specs for many different reasons other than pure performance/usefulness. "I don't like keeping up dots or dealing with pets but I like throwing chaos bolts" would be a very common reason I imagine.

i enjoy playing frost mage, and i do pretty decent, often beating the arcane or fire mages in the pugs or mostly guild runs i do. why are frost mage and bm not even on this tier list, but ret and arms are?

so what u reroll to or is low s tier enough for you

wtf who havoc? :O

Dude this was the douchiest I've ever seen a YouTuber. "Why why why play destro? To be edgy and 'have fun'" what? You hear yourself? HAVING FUN is the point of playing the game my guy. Unsubbed

Honestly I feel they should have dropped something off hard modes to use for a trade in with your tier. IE tier piece plus a shard off hard mode yogg would upgrade the tier piece to 252

Talesavo is sad with ret paladins

Why destro?!? slinging those chaos bolts bby

I like how they nerf Unholy but doesnt buff ret…

I'll die on this hill, ret's utility and heals make it a good spec *if played well*, especially when the guild's quality is lower and people make mistakes. Yes the dps rotation is braindead, but ret's skill expression at this point in the game comes almost entirely from clutch Hand/DSac/AM/LoH/FoL casts while still doing a good dps rotation.

A good ret can save lives with incredibly free 6-8k triage heals, and there are some situations where a ret doing dedicated offheals can both retain most of their dps profile and meet the hps check, while letting a healer spec dps instead.

The AM/Improved LoH build lets you do your full dps output, gives two excellent defensive cooldowns, buffs your healing a ton, and can provide enough miti on some things like Black Hole Explosion that you can run it on a decent chunk of fights. It's an easy dual spec with dsac build.

And on some longer fights the arcane dps profile isn't as heavily favoured as it is on a lot of shorter Naxx fights. Early Ulduar the dps delta on a ton of fights between Arcane and Ret will be at the 10% level.

I legit think ret a very solid Uldaur choice for a lot of fights and for a lot of guilds.

I enjoy hearing the theory crafting but you have a terrible habit of speaking in hyperboles lol. "Nerfed into oblivion" because of gargoyle nerf while still S tier? "Aff has the most contested gear by far" umm all melee are fighting for 252 leather and locks take prio over all other caster dps. Just saying it's hard to take anything else seriously when some of these spec descriptions are nonsense

I’ve heard you say a couple times that warlocks have a lot of health but I’ve never been in a raid with a warlock where this is the case. What am I missing?

but why but why?? because people wanna have fun ..and not trying to try hard like a bum like you…

Definitely agree with people looking for tier or alternative pieces while waiting on hm bis

Mans crying about UH dk nerf multiple times throughout the whole video "giganerfed into the ground," yet they're still S tier damage, and he even puts them in S tier lol. Imagine being a meta slave, and being upset that your class gets nerfed from SS+++++ to S tier

the dk change isn't even a "real" change because the gargoyle was changed from the start. They need to just give it the 1 sec gcd that it should have

For alliance it sounds like its only a 15-20% garb nerf but also its less punishing if you fuck up procs or for mid fight pops? It doesnt sound too bad at all.

With the feral druid 2pc set bonus procing off of lacerate the huge variance in feral druid dps is going to get worse.

Just check how warriors sim on Loatheb. Warriors are gear dependent and you’ll see what happens with the buffed gear, no cope

why destro? cause a well played destro can put out the same numbers as the other 2 speccs. and you get blood pact. and you can give an extra replenishment if you want to cut out the ret pally. and destro is the only specc that can give a skilled heathstone without losing health/dmg like the demo lock. and cause of freya/trash handling with fury. you should ask the other way around, why not a destro? cause a perfect played affliction is doing 200 dps more? show me the perfect playing affliction warlocks. and if you dont play aff perfectly, destro puts the same numbers.

So much salt in the comments every time. Get a grip 😂

I actually watched the whole vid and agreed. Great vid

Yea I love my ret paladin so much. It’s my favorite spec by a mile. But ret is just so bad that in ulduar I’m gearing up my old warlock from classic so that I don’t get carried thru the whole raid. <plays taps and waits for ICC to be viable>

Your forgot blood dps

What is estimization?

So torn on DK and rogue for p2 what do u recommend from ptr