Comment by TheRedBaron20
on 2024-02-23T19:38:44-06:00
Good walk back.
What if Art of War had a second way to proc aside from just crit?
It could have a percentage chance proc rate on all holy damage. So that SoM weapon procs would have like a 10% chance to proc art of war baseline, or something. (workshop the actual numbers of course).
Or just change art of war so that it procs on crits from weapon strikes AND seal procs in the tooltip, then it wouldn’t be a bug and you can keep it in the game as is?
Comment by Basado
on 2024-02-23T19:42:37-06:00
Please give some love to prot paladins
Comment by TalisxRedstar
on 2024-02-23T19:43:37-06:00
You can’t twist SoM with Command, now they are nerfing it because it was buggy and proc some extra damage. And yet, absolutely no logs i’ve see have put Rets at the top, or any where near it. So wtf is purpose of Seal of martyrdom? To send us back into the vanilla game style of auto attack simulator, and toss out a lil extra mana to yur party or raid? hell you just drop the seal and give paladins Replenishment from wrath and it would be more useful, and as a passive more fun than what Seal of Martyrdom is right now.
Art of War? more joke of the battle. Rets don’t have the regen or the mana pool to make Art of War effective. Sure its great for burst, but that is maye 30 seconds of game play then you have to switch to Seal of Wisdom, judge it, pope seal of wisdom again and spam Crusader strike for another 30 seconds just so you get get back to 30 seconds of dps.
Make Art of War reset be free, make it refund mana if you use the reset within 6 seconds. If you do not then you don’t get the free reset, you don’t get the mana refund. It adds a little bit of spice to the rune. makes it usuable with our piss poor mana pool. Otherwise it is just better to run with Guarded by the Light and never have to worry about mana problems.
Just know your off healing is barely better than using bandages.
Comment by Thagomizers
on 2024-02-23T20:06:21-06:00
Make Art of War reset be free, make it refund mana if you use the reset within 6 seconds. If you do not then you don’t get the free reset, you don’t get the mana refund. It adds a little bit of spice to the rune. makes it usuable with our piss poor mana pool. Otherwise it is just better to run with Guarded by the Light and never have to worry about mana problems.
I agree, mana issues are a huge issue for paladins if they want to run anything outside of the mana regen runes. I think blizzard should just make Art of War similar to the priest WotLK ability “Surge of Light” where on crit your next exorcism comes off cd, costs no mana, but can not crit.
Comment by Hulkbuster
on 2024-02-23T20:11:01-06:00
Art of War? more joke of the battle. Rets don’t have the regen or the mana pool to make Art of War effective. Sure its great for burst, but that is maye 30 seconds of game play then you have to switch to Seal of Wisdom, judge it, pope seal of wisdom again and spam Crusader strike for another 30 seconds just so you get get back to 30 seconds of dps.
Make Art of War reset be free, make it refund mana if you use the reset within 6 seconds. If you do not then you don’t get the free reset, you don’t get the mana refund. It adds a little bit of spice to the rune. makes it usuable with our piss poor mana pool. Otherwise it is just better to run with Guarded by the Light and never have to worry about mana problems.
Just know your off healing is barely better than using bandages.
paloladins already doing too much damage for all their survival abilities, be happy for what u got and keep calm
Comment by Guzzed
on 2024-02-23T21:14:15-06:00
Art of War? more joke of the battle. Rets don’t have the regen or the mana pool to make Art of War effective. Sure its great for burst, but that is maye 30 seconds of game play then you have to switch to Seal of Wisdom, judge it, pope seal of wisdom again and spam Crusader strike for another 30 seconds just so you get get back to 30 seconds of dps.
Make Art of War reset be free, make it refund mana if you use the reset within 6 seconds. If you do not then you don’t get the free reset, you don’t get the mana refund. It adds a little bit of spice to the rune. makes it usuable with our piss poor mana pool. Otherwise it is just better to run with Guarded by the Light and never have to worry about mana problems.
Just know your off healing is barely better than using bandages.
Yeah using Art of War still feels bad due to mana issues. SoM also just isn’t fun to use over divine storm
Comment by Lolhai
on 2024-02-23T21:27:44-06:00
Thanks for walking this back.
Comment by CForward96
on 2024-02-24T01:35:59-06:00
Make Art of War reset be free, make it refund mana if you use the reset within 6 seconds. If you do not then you don’t get the free reset, you don’t get the mana refund. It adds a little bit of spice to the rune. makes it usuable with our piss poor mana pool. Otherwise it is just better to run with Guarded by the Light and never have to worry about mana problems.
Have you actually tried SoM + AoW + Fast 2H? If you did you would know it doesn’t have any mana issues lol. That’s what makes it so good. You get constant exorcism resets and your mana never dips. Also AoW already cuts the mana cost of Exorcism by 80%. It doesn’t need to be free. The thing actually destroying your mana pool when playing SoC/DS (which I assume you are) is judging and re-applying Seal of Command. Sounds like you don’t understand the spec as well as you think
Comment by nyanmynecks
on 2024-02-24T03:54:49-06:00
Art of War? more joke of the battle. Rets don’t have the regen or the mana pool to make Art of War effective. Sure its great for burst, but that is maye 30 seconds of game play then you have to switch to Seal of Wisdom, judge it, pope seal of wisdom again and spam Crusader strike for another 30 seconds just so you get get back to 30 seconds of dps.
Make Art of War reset be free, make it refund mana if you use the reset within 6 seconds. If you do not then you don’t get the free reset, you don’t get the mana refund. It adds a little bit of spice to the rune. makes it usuable with our piss poor mana pool. Otherwise it is just better to run with Guarded by the Light and never have to worry about mana problems.
Just know your off healing is barely better than using bandages.
Art of War is actually a shocker rune tho :3
It is being closely looked into since they want to do a shocker viable pvp or maybe even pve spec Thats why retri paladin does not have mana to utilise the rune entirely
If they nerf the mana cost they will have to recuce damage greatly that means shocker will be $%^&d up
Crusader strike — now holy dmg
Holy shock – holy damage obv
Exo- holy dmg
everything about pala is about holy dmg now
Comment by pawpurr
on 2024-02-24T04:08:57-06:00
Yeah using Art of War still feels bad due to mana issues. SoM also just isn’t fun to use over divine storm
I don’t like using divine storm on single target, it feels weird. I’m fine with it for spammy aoe stuff, but i don’t really think an “Always right” choice is good for fun factor, it’s better when there’s reasons to use different things especially since they’re so swappable.
tbh I hope they keep doing seal of blood/spooky blood knight/dk-like ideas anyways in the future. Shockadin getting some space to exist is cool but when I made my original paladin in vanilla, it was with the understanding one day I’d be able to go hero class into being a DK, and they still haven’t delivered on that. Closest we got was early tbc blood knights, which I also miss. Seems like the perfect theme to explore with runes.
Semi related, i’d play the hell out of a SOD TBC, I think it would still work due to the influx of the new races thru the old world and how close in design it was. A long way away and probably hard to do, but i’m thinkin about it. Gimme that OG semi-evil magic vampire blood elf vibe, in rune form.
Comment by Tektonic
on 2024-02-25T01:01:57-06:00
Make Art of War reset be free, make it refund mana if you use the reset within 6 seconds. If you do not then you don’t get the free reset, you don’t get the mana refund. It adds a little bit of spice to the rune. makes it usuable with our piss poor mana pool. Otherwise it is just better to run with Guarded by the Light and never have to worry about mana problems.
Have you actually tried SoM + AoW + Fast 2H? If you did you would know it doesn’t have any mana issues lol. That’s what makes it so good. You get constant exorcism resets and your mana never dips. Also AoW already cuts the mana cost of Exorcism by 80%. It doesn’t need to be free. The thing actually destroying your mana pool when playing SoC/DS (which I assume you are) is judging and re-applying Seal of Command. Sounds like you don’t understand the spec as well as you think
Just to add on to this, if you are having mana issues as Ret using DS + SoC, just stop judging command. The vast majority of SoC’s damage is just from having the seal active…not missing potential procs because you are reapplying after a judge plus the mana you save will offset the lost judgement damage.
The real issue here is that Ret has to choose between having AOE or having a seal that you can afford to judge on an 8sec CD.
Comment by roboscorcher
on 2024-02-26T07:57:47-06:00
I hope phase 3 has a rune to allow multiple seals up at once. It would probably make up for how down bad ret is this phase.
Comment by roboscorcher
on 2024-02-26T08:11:58-06:00
Yeah using Art of War still feels bad due to mana issues. SoM also just isn’t fun to use over divine storm
I don’t like using divine storm on single target, it feels weird. I’m fine with it for spammy aoe stuff, but i don’t really think an “Always right” choice is good for fun factor, it’s better when there’s reasons to use different things especially since they’re so swappable.
tbh I hope they keep doing seal of blood/spooky blood knight/dk-like ideas anyways in the future. Shockadin getting some space to exist is cool but when I made my original paladin in vanilla, it was with the understanding one day I’d be able to go hero class into being a DK, and they still haven’t delivered on that. Closest we got was early tbc blood knights, which I also miss. Seems like the perfect theme to explore with runes.
Semi related, i’d play the hell out of a SOD TBC, I think it would still work due to the influx of the new races thru the old world and how close in design it was. A long way away and probably hard to do, but i’m thinkin about it. Gimme that OG semi-evil magic vampire blood elf vibe, in rune form.
Alternatively, they could make Command and Martyr twist again like in TBC, and then swap the DS and Exorcist runes. DS becomes a standard button, and chest build options are now Twist vs Exo spam.
